PLANC MEETING NOTES
March 21, 1999
I. Call to order 9:05 am
II. Introductions (Neal, Auerbach, O’Neil, Riley, Homer, Sommerness, Lee, Polinard, Bass, Wrigley, Wright, Kopitzke, Batchelor, Wilson, Severn, Schilling, Smith, Wayne, De Loach, Crane)
III. Chair’s Report–Neal
Most pressing point–violations of ABA Admissions Standards; Hofstra University School of Law; increasingly hostile interactions between LS and students; when students claim that PLA’s then the school backs off; Neal wrote a letter with no response; Heather Struck also wrote a list with no response; O’Neil also has something to say about this. List of schools who are doing things like this. O’Neil—appropriate for PLANC to do this; letter from LSAC–also no response; Heather Struck reached an agreement with the LS who says they will play by the rules. Neal thinks a PP article should talk about the problem and name names. Wilson has school in his region–Campbell does the same thing. You must respond in 10 days. Wilson called and was told that they can have an extension to 4/1; need to let them know that they can ask for an extension. He will call and reaffirm our position. Will respond to individual contacts from PLA but otherwise message is out the way; do folks think it should be in PP.
Batchelor—date of article written; this is the situation
Lee–NAPLA Notes will name Hofstra
Auerbach–urge a boycott of schools that refuse to comply
Riley–statement should be factual without broad conclusions
Homer–PP; piece from Marty; revision of the statement; editorial note saying that there is a problem;
O’Neil–tomorrow we will get the new statement; includes financial aid; incorporates both admissions and FA; include it in next PP
Smith– schools are different; we have a deposit; needs to be another point in which deposit can be given back if they are going elsewhere; disclosure statement explaining dates of deposits, refundable; Arkansas gives back $$;
Neal–if policy was clear, even if it deviated, it would be better; Hofstra thinks it is an interpretation rather than an infraction
Sommerness—argumentative PLA gets students help; non-argumentative suffer; censure list;
Neal–has documentation of all interactions
Smith–go a step further; legitimate use of deposits is for enrollment management; not a poker game; coercive use of deposits is not legitimate;
Neal–what is the will of the board
Riley–a couple of people to look at it
O’Neil–when we write to schools, they discontinue practice
Severn—4/1 one week away; put the word out in early fall 99 and do something about it then; delay article until next fall; too late to do anything; TTU doing it too and don’t alter to PLA; talked to dean, associate dean, admissions people
Smith—making catalogues now; get them on notice now
Neal–6th notice for Hofstra
Lee–unless it changes by the time NAPLA Notes comes out, Hofstra will be named
Wilson—along with the statement; we want to be fair; send it to Hoftstra; this will appear in PP; Include Campbell; with request they stop
Neal–letters to TTU, Campbell, Hofstra
III. Secretary’s report–minutes went out last Monday; motion to accept–
Polinard—in Park City, PLANC would assume responsibility for this annual meeting: cost associated with Sunday should be born by PLANC;
Neal–issue of officers costs to be born
Lee–three of us remember
Schilling—projected costs figured out; not as much money as possible
Riley–Item XI. Reference to this; resolution
Neal–reimburse LSAC?
Polinard–embarrassing LSAC
Lee second
no objections
O’Neil–pay airfare, rooms, SAT/SUN, bus, BLD, Sunday, BL, Monday; happy to continue to pay for that;
Neal–need a resolution for Saturday,
Schilling–LSAC saves money by us coming in on Saturday night
Neal–
Polinard–not clear; should assume responsibility for Saturday night; may not have so many sympathetic people at LSAC;
Riley–report does not reflect current costs, there are serious financial implications; whether we are talking about PLANC or APLA’a picking up the cost;
Wilson–2 recommended policy changes; add this on top;; profits from the conference will be put into the treasury to pay for our operating costs; profits from the conference would be OK
Auerbach–when NAPLA has a meeting; weekend board meeting $7K; the second gets paid for by the conference; make budget and a comprehensive plans
Wilson–tax comes from conference or NAPLA’s; should not tax APLA’s; what we need is a plan
Polinard–NAPLA pays travel; don’t want to pick up travel; already adopted a resolution; decision was made;
Neal–minutes not policy; are minutes correct
Severn–has the notes from the minutes, four people talking about
Neal–add issue at the bottom of the agenda; clarify and give Beth clear statement
O’Neil–LSAC appreciates our consideration to pay for ourselves; whatever decision we make, LSAC will continue to support
Wilson–where are we?
Neal—accuracy of the minutes, put issue under
Lee-acceptance of minutes
Kopitzke–second
Sommerness–double payment for Sunday cost
Neal–revisit under New Business
Wilson–modify
Schilling–unclear
Neal–Jerry and three people who want to change language; under New Business; other corrections
vote on minutes–
Polinard–formal motion
Wilson–withdraw
Neal–vote; minutes approved 4-3
Wilson–to be amended
Neal–minutes as amended
Polinard–what took place in Park City; are the minutes accurate; vote unusual
Neal–issues accurate; Wilson amended without having number; clear vote on minutes form PC; payments under new business; call for vote; 6-0; minutes approved;
V. Treasury Report–Riley
actual cash flow through 3/15; detailed accounting on back page; all income and expenditures; front page–summary; totals–3635(out)/3130 (in); $10K not included in variance send to Nim for Conference; 2nd page–now will change dramatically, if policies stay in place; not included in this report; if we do not take into account SAT night stay and breakfast; projected costs; proposal that PLANC pay for travel to ABA meeting from Liz Moody; if we decide to fund it should be $2400; revenues without conference infusion; anticipated expenditures 18X 130 total if $2272;
O’Neil–has charges for food., room rental, gratuity, $1179.51; twice what Riley anticipated
Neal–do they include the cost of bringing the officers to the fall meeting, about $8000 if we include that cost
Wrigley–we will not get the same rate as LSAC
Wilson–can we do through LSC and reimburse them
O’Neil–yes
Riley–anticipated revenues a little high, especially if we have to turn over money; total 26498. Will come down 6000; also indicated where $$$ is; council to determine 1999 dues; recommendations—paying travel to ABA meeting ($700); increasing dues to cover portion of increased expenses, or variance will be much greater; tax returns being sent in; no taxes; cost of doing $100, send in before 4/15;
Neal—49,414 amount including conference committee
Riley–includes everything from tom brown some from Mary from conference, rest is interest or APLA dues, 17,500 went to nim in 2 deposits
Neal–12 voted yes
Schilling–voting for MAPLA president,
LSAC report—Trey deLoach
chairs recruiting subcommittee—2 major project–examination and how to improve recruiting calendar and to produce workbook about how to put on a successful law school recruiting event; involved for 7 years; major complaint is too many conflicting events but some are poorly planned with few students attending; ls spending more $$$ recruiting; recruiting budgets under greater scrutiny than in the past; workbook----started in NO; talked about what to do; started Borthwoirk, Michael Goodnight, Margot Baker Jena Clausterman–Kansas it LS person; putting it all together–Beth–making it sound like one voice;;—to be put out in spring for everyone use;
Trey–LSAC sponsoring regional recruitment event; a number of very successful events; reinventing the wheel each time; trying to include PLA’s in those program planning; to create new events; cooperation between parties; seed money for both; national calendar; LSAC calendar; reavitive process instead of proactive; something work some do not; talked extensively; proposal—to PLANC, S$P, LSAC; to establish a group of weeks; year 2000–presence APLA recruiting swings; 2) include broadest national appeals; 40 top feeder school 25 top areas; including MAPLA WAPLA Upstate NY swing; number of sites that don’t have any recruiting events at all; major cities don’t have large events or if they do they don’t work with larger area; create a number of new events; 3 page handout at this point; 1 ½ years out----not concerned with what day or week things are done but move around;
Auerbach–how does this work
DeLoach–Pitts, Penn State, Philly, Rutgers in that area take that week, leading up to the NY forum;
Wright–how does schedule affect travel
Schilling–do the WAPLA dates overlap with 2000 conference
Crane–when WAPLA moved to September
DeLoach–east/west coast functions;
Schilling–October 2000 ; looking at MAPLA dates; do you want MAPLA to run; are you running;
DeLoach–suggesting if there needs to be a reconfiguration; LS could establish events;
Schilling–existing schools that are done already
DeLoach–is this appropriate
Crane–do we have the right to do this
O’Neil==
Severn–
Homer–APLA that have certain role in facilitating recruitment; napla does not; other APLA do; individual; MAPLA WAPLA swapla
Neal–information shared not directed
Schilling—S &P; directive; assumptions Chicago Forum; put your week when you want it; talk to each other; wonderful to have strategic planning
Neal–function as reporting
Severn–will you send this out will they have this info? Not WAPLA swapla day; have something when recruitment calendars are being set up;
Riley—logistics of recruiters bounding back and forth around the country
DeLoach–not out for 4 weeks in a row; making it so we can progress across the country;
Riley–try to get them on the back to
O’Neil–LA today, New England tomorrow
Riley–longer notice
Lee-thanks for including Margot in process
DeLoach–try to include more PLA in process
Wrigley–Chicago forum; will schools be in session; does that help in events?
DeLoach–yes
Wrigley–Ohio State would not have seen
Auerbach–small school who attracts only regional schools; even if one person is at a large event; doesn’t office have another person they can send
DeLoach–yes they can professor; majority of schools have only 1 person who travel; 7 events in one day; in the middle of the week for one day; $2K there ; four events vs. one event;
Beth–outreach grant program; in place for one year ; 22 events; idea behind grants have ls collaborate; minority prelaw day in northern California; 22 new events; all worked with PLA’s; with ls and undergraduate or public venues; or role to give group colloborative group $5k outreach to new populations successful program ls are odd in that they collaborative LSAC outreach grants; Miami, Houston, not MAPLA area because of good job;
DeLoach–not diminish events not included; not national calendar; not designate national or regional events; what is the sense of the board; when S&P 4/9 will meet; concept will get formal approval; take back to exec boards; claim weeks then go back for formal approval; annual way to do this;
schilling–are you the point person;
DeLoach–jim leipold at LSAC
Auerbach–sending out over email prior to this meeting; discuss in advance so can come to meeting with information
DeLoach–long-term planning
VII NALP–Wayne
what does the employment picture look like; economy very good reflected in stats class of 97 increased in 16% 3% of past —summer market 6% to 16% between 97 and 98; can’t make offers to students; following; may break 90%; issue–impact of salary increases on quality of life of associates;; Columbia students making the higher salaries//national $40K/annual; impact of increased salaries–increasing number of billable hours; 2100; 40 week/52 weeks; huge amounts of time for work; impacted quality of if; firms notice attrition rate; retention bit issue at most law schools; national law journal—package to stem 3 month mandatory sabbatical to go to school to study anything; after 6 years know where they are in relation to partner + $50K so they will stay; committee at law firms to address retention; lateral market up 25% movement from one environment to another; handout have more stats; add handout; bar assoc even local have committees of students and practitioners; student perspectives do al lot of programming to address what needs there are; outreach to bar assoc; may be interested in talking to you; disabilities and accommodation–NY one of the more restricted states; coming to law school; need to know what disability students are facing in trying to get an accommodation; issue that impacts students who have been accommodated prior to the bar but will not be accommodated at the bar; how to handle; last meeting as rep; Gina Rosen will come next time;
Polinard–economic outlook dismal.com
VIII> ABA Report–Smith
it is important to dean’s to understand more about PLA’s; smith will do all that he can to ensure that aba still pays for PLA participation on committee; deans pay their way, speakers pay their way; pitch that we put PLA interaction; president of aba and national bar association to be at Arkansas next week and he will talk to them; questions;
Riley—stress importance of PLANC presence at the aba meeting; someone needs to go to the meeting;
Smith--requires an invitation;
Riley–consent of this
Smith–get a program and show what the role will be; associate dean can not go; smith to carry message if that is what we want
Homer–if you plan it we will come; knowledgeable people will parici
Riley–enthusiastically want to do it real bad
Schilling–unanimously enthusiastically and see the need for a relationship with the ABA deans
Neal–unanimous consent
Lee– Riley coordinate for PLANC
IX.LSAC
time tomorrow
4/9 S&P
statement of good practices; goes to LSAC in June; publish broadly; talk of making Boston forum–one day instead of two; LSAC electronic ap; letter of recommendation service; changes needed; issues to s&P; volume; candidate behavior; demand for online services; applicant questionnaire information; influences to apply; influences to matriculate; reflects USNWR; tired of tyranny of rankings; corruption of process ; how to offset--- using test scores; proper way to use data; greater influence than LSAC; how to put together diversity in ls; use of various factors in appropriate way; agenda item
Homer–deans sending out letter precedes USNWR issues; every year different signatories; print dean’s letter in registration book;.
Polinard– good to see beth in better health, clapping
Homer–applicants already made their decision; get the statement from LSAC when they apply to law schools; Kaplan and Princeton reprint USNWR and give out to candidates; timing too late
Beth–41% applied after reading USNWR; 29% change application decisions based on rankings; to be talked about tomorrow
break
diversity issues
MAPLA–message not carried back to president; need direction and ideas from other APLA
napla–program; minority institutions reps came one time but never came again
beth–focus; funding from LSAC to come to our meetings
PCAPLA–diversity panels; minority forum sponsored by plas and ls; main contact with santa Clara;
beth--LSAC has grants to ufnd outreach programs for minority candidates
smith–cost of travel, dinner, rooms, grant from southwest bell; number of students who said that they would have come but didn’t ; racial equity in 21st century; involve PLA’s
Ann-speaker from ohs; minority affairs office contends that they do such a good job recruiting that students come to them for everything; contact minority affairs office to find students; LSAC contacts the student with info about PLA
beth–book put together
Severn–several ls had minority schools days, Baylor paid expenses for students to get there; conference site 99 corpus Christi going to have a southern Texas site for conference would enable students to get tot he law day; outreach programs–3 schools, Houston, south Texas, and ask st. Mary’s to ask for travel money; 3 ½ hours drive to law day; we are invited to corpus; ls in response to hopwood; established foundations for scholarships money for minority candidates to go to ls; ut program second year;
bass–new attorney general looking at hopwood case
o’neil–new bill in legislature about admissions practices
bass-California going with 20% minority student
Severn-grants for more reps to come to conference
bass-travel grants for funding minority people to come to meetings; staff registration desk; ways to get them involved; people come back every year
WAPLA–minority programs at WAPLA conference
sommerness–native Americans at nau; high attrition rate; goes to high schools at navajo reservations in 7 hs in 6 towns; presentations on la school; working at navajo reservations get them into the law schools that ; pool of native American; Wm. Mitchell has scholarships that go unused
SWAPLA–Sam. mckenstry and Erwin erhardt; why people do/do not come to APLA meetings; outreach programs helpful; Joyce hicks–1st VP; proactive; future
lee–napla conference registration questionnaire?
Beth–form letter to include or send alone with LSAC info about paying for
Neal–questionnaire to be used by us?
Nim–not available yet; but will bring it and disseminate; contact
Wayne–minority bar associations; speakers; rep to APLA meetings; national bar has done a lot of outreach; probably don’t think of PLANC as a place to serve; local minority bars
smith–might look at metropolitan universities–Arkansas 30% 11,000- don’t know how active PLA is in organization
XI. establishment of new standing committees
Neal–relationship with LSAC, aba, could use our input, need a strategy, small committee of no more than 4 people, gather information of structure of committees, fuzzy notion of what they do where is the info that we need, to determine what committees would benefit our efforts, setting strategies; people on this committee would all become members of one of the four committees, meet and them report to us; develop relationships with LSAC committees, organized way to approach these committees,
homer–aba has involved; focus of committee be on LSAC;
lee-move that we establish committee
bass-seconded
nim–who would be members of standing committees
Neal–turnover on committees
nim–anticipate rotation on committees
homer-even non-voting members can be on committees
Riley-chairman to designate committees
Neal-hoping volunteers; like Riley to be on committee
Auerbach–non-current PLANC members to participate
Severn–access brains of past members
crane–chair of committee should be on PLANC
Auerbach-PLANC draws on APLA; removing from APLA
Wilson–this information should be happening with us as a whole board; act liaison to
Neal–difficult for entire body to accomplish, whereas smaller committee can accomplish
Wilson–why can’t chair and beth accomplish same thing
homer–mandate of PLANC, on behalf of 6 regional ; everyone responsible, no one is responsible; success with aba, because of one person involved; on-going dialogue; 2 meetings a year;
lee-small committees, not chair calling Newton, different faces, absence of 10 years–not having accomplished much in 10 years; jim done great job in
smith–jim most influential person on committee, when he speaks people listen; continuity on committee; not flattering jim;
bass–one person instead of a committee
Severn– one person can call others to make
o’neil–what is the point; how can you impact the system; what are the points of contact; PLANC/LSAC work together; good working relationship; working committees—5 standing–test development; finance and legal; minority affairs; services and programs; haven’t achieved is membership on committees (12 years); how to achieve same relationship short of membership on committees; in-house issues; call people who I know; people do not call me; no objection;
Wilson–this is the role of PLANC; call a specific person; what we need is more information flow; PLANC list-serve; far more effective than setting
Auerbach–move to table the motion
Wilson–seconded
Neal-vote, 6-2
homer–Roberts rules; chairs have the right to appoint a committee at any time; doesn’t need a vote to establish a committee;
Polinard–council doesn’t support this approach
Neal–how to make progress; how to take council to greater level
Wilson–just settled with a vote; why can’t chairman and beth and why can’t have a list-serve
lee–only members can be on committee; can be observers/visitors; not members who come with right to vote; to have presence; regular basis PLANC has
beth–a good approach would be to take it piecemeal; what is the schedule and agenda–where it would be useful to have; jean Webb-new chair–good idea; to have PLANC there
Severn–with Margot working with trey, there is evidence that it works,
Neal–Margot not on PLANC; how do we get information here at PLANC; rest of PLA get info;
homer—some years ago; liaison panel PLA from 6 APLA, met once,
beth–met once a year for 3 years; started that committee
homer–bring it back; each APLA what each APLA was telling;
Neal–chair, chair-elect, and beth create a list-serve?
Bruce–what would you do with info? Or open?
Neal-just to PLANC
Wilson–objected to that because it was a para-PLANC
Neal–if that is the will, we will proceed
beth–who would pay for us to go to LSAC?
Neal–we would pay; lunch break
Lunch 12:15
Called to order 1:25
XI. New Standing Committees
Neal–Standards Committee–establish a procedure for dealing with law schools that violate the standards; past efforts: send a letter, resend a letter; no set procedure for dealing with standards violation; what would you like as a committee?
Bass– hope that there would be no work to do
Neal–need a procedure; if we are get called on publicizing violations, we could be called on to defend our actions, we need to have a procedure
Sommerness–would we be acting in tandem with LSAC?
Neal–response is leave us alone
Lee–APLA’s or PLANC;
Neal–both should be done; the APLA do it and PLANC
Lee–need a committee; we move to slowly
Auerbach—move to adopt a standards committee
Lee–second
Neal–8-0; abstain 2
Wrigley–what are we trying to do? Keep students from applying to those schools
Neal–provide information to students; extension till 4/1; advocate for the student
Schilling–not clear that having a standing committee is the best way to handle it
Neal–it is not clear to schools that PLA will collect the information;
Wilson–I think it is better that the chair send the letter; if there is one person than it could be done;
Neal–as chair, I could respond; but does it adequately reflect the desires of the council; having more than one makes a way for it to reflect more
Wrigley–if we are talking only about 3 schools, can’t we wait until there are more schools
Smith–bringing it to the committee; joins in censure of violating schools; good time to be doing it; PLANC going in so many different directions but committee could develop procedures
Polinard– talking about an ad hoc committee that disbands after developing procedures
Neal–changed to subcommittee rather than standing committee; appoint 2 people to it; Gerald and Karen on subcommittee; develop some procedures and then discuss disbanding; next committee–future conference site committee–pricing and availability–conference site committee to set up next site–2004 will be at ____;
Schilling–Conferon says we are not a major conference; hotels will not make a commitment that far out;
Neal–site vs hotel; jump on advertising and people thinking forward;
Schilling: June 2004; to far in advance
Sommerness: questionnaire for next site to
Wilson: PLANC meeting following 2000 conference, appoint a chair, give us four years out
Homer: selection of the city is based on hotels
Schilling: want to schedule city-wide conference
Lee: make arrangements with Motel 6
Wilson: chair of subsequent t conference and other such officers be appointed
Schilling:seconded
Severn: after
Homer: outgoing conference chair entitled; site selection for new chair; set up conference committee; thought we were using Mary
Neal: close of the 2000 conference, PLANC will get together to choose chair and other such officers as deemed necessary
Bruce: called the question
Neal—passed; Diversity committee–report by APLA’s;
Homer–unless we are in a position to give direction, what would the committee do
Riley–3 purposes; liaison with other APLA’s, advocate for the needs of the APLA’s, skills of PLA;
Severn–best done at the regional level
Schilling–firm commitment at the 2000 conference in the program; PLANC can use the national conference, mobilizing the APLA’s
Wilson–continue efforts towards diversity; permanent part of the report; president to report; share information
XII. APLA REPORTS
MAPLA—did not talk with Ava; Chicago Forum; 11/11; new issue of MAPLA notes; newsletter to come out; dates in the fall: 10/11-14 OSU, Illinois, Michigan, ND; decoupled caravan from conference; MAPLA Profiles; 400 left; when APLA’s buy them they don’t always mail them right away; continue to come out in October; will not be doing software; LSAC better; collected data on-line; put into database; collated and sent out; conference–Thursday afternoon to Saturday lunch–same hotel as Chicago Downtown Marriott–Friday/Saturday forum; conference materials; MAPLA conference materials ;
NAPLA–received registration forms for the conference; send out if you haven’t received it; conference moved from St. Joe’s to Lafayette; stay in new dorm which are air-conditioned, Internet-connected, and telephones, June 9-12; next president–Polly Harrington in September; Bruce’s last PLANC committee; next year in Boston; June conference in 2000; may be shorter; will be at Suffolk; Conference in 1992 in Towson State; some will not go to the national; more people will go to national if we did not have our conference; we need to meet for organizational reasons; overlap between those at Towson and at the national; some do both others do one or the other; regional or national;
Homer–San Diego conference; larger representation from NAPLA than any other APLA; some can not get to national conference; need regional conference; 1992 clearly a success in spite of conference in previous June and following June;
Auerbach–10 person difference; cost will be an issue;
Homer–2001 conference will be impacted the most;
PCAPLA—whole new set of officers; yet to have a meeting with all 3; 20 members; membership will be the issue; welcome advice from experienced people; joint conference with WAPLA November 678 Oakland Marriott, resurrect newsletter, haven’t published for awhile
SWAPLA– 1st thing we’d like to do; correct dates on PP, meeting at Nova September 30-October 3rd
“Prelaw Advising in the Electronic Age: High Tech and High Touch”; small group will get together but they will do it on the web; Nancy Sanguine at Nova is spearheading it; heard anything from Sam and Erwin will report; reached out to NAPLA, strong intentions to have joint conference in 2001, at William and Mary;
SWAPLA–Beautiful islands of Corpus Christi, October 18-22, end in CC,TX, spend the night on the Blue Ghost, Houston forum 10/23; anyone here would like to be a moderator, let us know; on program,
WAPLA–joint PCAPLA-WAPLA meeting; programs put together for 2000 Conference will be put on fall conference; Frank did conference planning in Park City; replicate that in our joint meeting;
Neal–newsletter editor list; APLA report, conference lists to Eileen
XIII.PP
Homer–copies of newsletter; in print; 1200 copies; distribution sent to each APLA and distributed; swapla–40-Karen MAPLA–ava–90 PCAPLA–Kathy–100 WAPLA–238–jim; napla–340–graham; sapla–
roster and database: check to see if there are problems; Frank: new area code—570; Henry Kopitzke 1 Angwin, CA 94508; next issue after PLANC meeting at MAPLA; PP to be distributed with APLA newsletters in the spring with information about the conference; September 2000 last hype for the conference;
XIV.2000 Conference
Schilling–mailing to all sole, coordinating, prelaw advisors 3000 16.9 cents each; stationary printed; timeline:
mailing 3/15
PP-article 3/15
Program finalization 11/14
Registration mailing 4/15/00
web site
hotel information
Summer info:
APLA newsletters
LSAC Reports
Fall 1999 Conferences:
table with San Diego
information
Summer postcard 8/00
Registration deadline 10/6
$135 early
$160 late
on-line w/payment
on-line w/mail payment
Hotel deadline 10/25
Conference Committee 11/
Fees:
PLA’s $ 135
late registration $ 160
law school $ 375
commercials with 2 reps $5000
nonprofits $ 135
conference getting $ 100
Fund-raising:
Riley wrote a letter last time; 58 schools contributed $250-$1000; most $500; need money to be generated over a period of 6 months; early money which defrays up-front costs; include card with levels of giving; recognizing in program; LSAC gave $15K; request that LSAC sponsor a specific event; Beth suggested that LSAC support opening event with law reps/dinner/speaker; meal $15K which Beth will take to S&P; HBCU’s; if your APLA wants a suite reserved, need to know right away; one complimentary suite, Chas wants; additional but limited suites; suites in the towers; will assume that each APLA will want to have a meeting room for Saturday meeting;
special event:
dinner at the zoo; Friday evening; 18 panels on Friday; offering dinner at the zoo; $50 dinner/event; dinner in the treetops with African zoo;
Timeline:
might get $25K independent of 15K from LSAC; 15K program and computers; reasonable budget; last time 110K; this is based on 148K; $119 single/double bungalows; $129 towers; might prefer the bungalows, more private; Thursday night kickoff; Friday zoo, conference ends without dinner;
Lee—lunch doesn’t’ make sense
Auerbach–short conference for people to come all the way across the conference; 1 ½ day conference; not a full 3 day conference; lot of money;
Severn–law school visits added on after
Polinard–PSA academic conference;
Neal–get points for going
Polinard–very talented people; reduced the number of breakout sessions; reduced from 5 to 4; increased number of offerings; total loss one session; if we need additional panels from mailings or ideas from PLA’s; outline of the conference; open and close conference with keynote speakers; each panel has program committee member responsible for finding panelists; final plenary on future of prelaw advising; suggestion to create new panels that haven’t been done before; law professors to address undergraduate curriculum issues; non-conventional panels; interesting program; by November speakers will be in place;
smith–suggest inclusion of Cruse Reynoso; new paradigm, teaches at UCLA;
Polinard—repeating regular sessions;
beth–LSAC ready to produce any help; who in the law school world is an expert;
Bruce–no law fair;
Mary–la forum; feedback; law fair not necessary; makes sure some law schools will come
Bruce–make sure that commercials are removed from law fair;
Nim—checking account list of expenditures; early ones for site visitations; initial meetings for steering committee; expenditures for printing letterhead, costs coming in; set up with bank requires 2500 rest in savings account; total expenditures is $8K; balance about $9K; expect that mailing for contributions for participation fees for the law schools will come in; seed money will come from Jim;
Riley—“fee” implies obligation;
Schilling–law schools need the word fee
Smith–participation fee includes registration of law school ; suggest $750 for 2 registrations
Neal–doesn’t that compel
Sommerness–levels of participation includes registration
Schilling—keep it separate
Wrigley–request to the dean
Smith–send to the deans or copy to the dean’s; or vice versa
O’neil–labels for free
Lee-acceptance of conference treasurer’s report
seconded
unanimous
XVII. Old Business–PLANC Letter of Recommendation Service–
Chas to write a letter to law schools saying we like the service but don’t make it mandatory
Beth–some are requiring it; everyone will take other letters
Homer–LSAC could point out to law schools that right now; service is not 100%
Neal–this on agenda to clarify
Homer–schools might not make it mandatory
Schilling–minutes of Fall 1999, LSAC not make it mandatory;
Wilson–resolution : amend urge law schools
New Business
Treasurer–Riley; term of office; no more than
Sommerness–nominate
Lee–seconded
no opposition; unanimous
Invitation of The Access Group to what’s happening in the financial aid; Beth–invite all other financial companies;
Smith–information has something to offer
Wrigley–don’t they ask
Severn—NASFAA;
Wilson–come in to report; make presentation
Lee–contribute to conference
Neal–ask to report to PLANC
next meeting–Chicago 11/14; MAPLA;
Schilling–move to start sat PM and end by sun PM
Wilson–seconded
O’NEIL–need extra rooms
Lee–page 4 of minutes: change resolution to law schools instead of LSAC
Polinard–unanimous consent to forward to Eileen
Schilling–policy item: PLANC extend grants via various APLA’s; money not there yet but will be there; money collected will be used to subsidize PLA’s travel to conference; not worry about 4K;
Wilson; CC be authorized to make available grants to PLA’s
Sommerness–second
Schilling–given to committee; how many and allocation? Yes
vote: unanimous
Lee– resolution on page 4 of minutes; costs for PLANC being:
Polinard–forward to Eileen recommended changes; send out copies with changes;
Neal–I
Lee-interpretation of resolution for last time: breakfast and lunch and meeting room PLANC for Sunday;
Riley–future?
Neal– unanimous consent
Riley– PLANC member to attend ABA meetings, around $700
Sommerness– move adoption of Riley proposal number 1
Bass—seconded
discussion:
vote:passes
Policy #2:
numbers off; PLANC treasury: to what extent do we want to rely upon dues and conference income; ought to look at APLA dues
Neal–put together Jim, Graham, one other person; map out budget; realistic seed money for conferences and make a decision about raising dues to APLA’s or conference monies used
Homer–if APLA dues going to be increased, disparity exists; consider if there is any merit of resurrecting any type of staggered dues;
Riley—3rd member ought to be experienced conference person
Schilling—will be 3rd person
Riley–projected budget
Neal–what do we need to sustain our activities
Homer–regarding PP; spring meeting; one of the 2 co-editors; Jerry reappointed last spring; Homer
position is up; been done in spring
Sommerness- move to reappoint Homer
Severn–seconded
Homer unanimously retained as PP dyad
Riley–digital camera; took a picture of everyone and put on web page
Polinard—acknowledge participation of those leaving; Bruce leaving, Nim off,
Neal–thank you for your services
Beth–dinner announcement 2 bus monitors on Newton busses; number to call if bus doesn’t show up; volunteers; 8:30 am directions to Newton; Chas as one herder; Graham as other; 8:30 an hour meeting over to 2 PM; take luggage with you ; check out in the morning to see if correct; rest to LSAC; dinner at 7 PM Le Colonial; walnut left on 2 doors down; meet in bar 1623 Walnut